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papacy and so the logic was simple, they wanted continuity. so cardinal joseph ratzinger seemed an obvious choice. this time there is no such obvious front runner and no simple, single, overriding issue that's driving the reflection, which is why a lot of us believe this conclave may be a little bit more complex and it may take a little bit longer for the cardinals to reach consensus. >> all right. all right, john, let's come back here to new york for a second. melinda, let me ask you, when you're looking at this from the outside, other than the timing which you know i'm completely obsessed with, that's mainly because i have to figure out when i have to get to rome, but when we're looking at what might be different this time, that's the excitement, right? what are you looking at from the outside? what do you think the possibilities here are? and are we being too excited? >> in terms of the candidates or in terms of what we're going to see going forward? >> because pope benedict has created precedent here by saying i'm resigning, this is the best thing for the church, will that i
, behind those gaets now, pope emeritus, the former joseph ratzinger and we have the seat is vacant. the seat of peter is now vacant. father bartuni krc, your feelin? >> the feelings i've had all day. i'm feeming more. bitt bittersweet. nice to see how the decision of the pope is taken by the catholic faithful throughout the world. following what he believes to be the good for the church and many of us have come to really love him and respect him. and so, you really feel it. i mean, at this moment. well, there you go. at the same time, when you see the -- when you see the swiss guards kind of ending their duty for the time being, i can't help but thinking of the whole history of the papacy. they're a personal guard of the pope because the pope is attacked before. the vatican has been attacked in the 20 centuries of church. even though there's surprises in the past, the schurch is still here and god is still working through the church and so i feel a lot of hope, as well. kind of excitement about what might -- what the next couple of weeks might bring. >> we see the three men outside
knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul. >> completely open. >> reporter: what was he like to talk to? >> very -- he would ask me what my interests were and how i felt and how i saw things. >> reporter: and with a sense of humor, like when benedict offered to sign widmer's copy of a book that he written which was pretty thick. >> when i gave it to him he said, you're really reading this? and i said, i'm trying. he said, it helps to do it in small steps. >> reporter: but he also had a personal crisis as a guard, spending his first christmas away from home. john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of his apartment and he noticed and he reached out to me and
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